League Gripes

wow im mad lol

fixed

lol @ zach gripes

nothing is wrong with my gripes cunt

Sain wrote:

410 Aleksandar Pavlovic SF 23 6'7'' 210 C B C- C+ C- C
410 Sasha Pavlovic SF 23 6'8'' 220 C+ B C B C- C

First I want him changed to Sasha Pavlovic so I don't keep on getting confused as hell. He's also 6'8 220 lbs.

Sasha, while not known for his scoring, pulled off 9 PPG in 22.9 MPG on a stacked Cavs team. 14.2 Points per 36 min, I think that deserves C+ inside. He also dished out 1.6 assists in that amount of time while playing mostly SG, I think that can get him C handles (he also got 1.5 turnovers, I don't think his handling should go up, just enough passing to get to C). He got 2.3 defensive win shares while getting 0.8 steals a game so I think at least B- defense, if not B, should be reasonable.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pavloal01.html

Hah... Stacked Cavs team...

Scoring will be increased to C+ B, handles will stay the same, defense will stay the same

Height and weight fixed, and name changed.

STACKDATCHEESE wrote:

392 Mehmet Okur C 27 6'11'' 249 B- B C- C+ C+ C

392 Mehmet Okur C 27 6'11'' 249 B- B C- C+ B- C

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okurme01.html

Per 36 minutes, Okur is the third best rebounder on the team, grabbing 7.8 boards per36. His career average of 8.7 per36 goes to show that this season was an aberration, and actually lower than his average. I think doing the minor favor of raising his rebounding by this small amount is justified. Thank you.

Ugh... I was ready to dismiss this because of the 7.8 RPG, but looking his career, it was a low year for him and he's usually better... so I guess B- is good.

Zach wrote:

Andrea Bargani
C+ A- D C+ D+ A
B- A- D B- or bumped D+ A

We all know Bargnani is one of the better NBA scorers.

In just his rookie season he averaged 11 ppg in 25 mpg

which would be 16 ppg in 36 mpg as a non option.

In his rookie season he averaged 0.5 spg and 0.8 bpg in those 25 minutes.

Which would be 0.7 spg 1.2 bpg in 36 mpg.

(He was 21 in his rookie season, which he is right now thats why i used his rookie stats)

Also a small rebounding bump because he is able of averaging 5-6 rpg (Not to C-)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bargnan01.html

TJ FORD
B- C+ A- B+ C- A
B C+ A- B+ C- A

Averaged 14 ppg in 29 mpg

12 ppg in 23 minutes just the next season

so the second season would be 17 ppg per 36
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fordtj01.html

pls v
Also his loyalty bumped.

I do not understand how his POW realistically is higher than his loyalty

the only winning team he played for was spurs for his last year.

If he was all POW he wouldn't have signed to raps.


Jose
C B A- C+ D+ C
C+ A- B- or B D+ C

Averaged 0.8 spg in 21 mpg in his second season

and in his rookie years from his 3p% not most of his points came from the 3pt.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caldejo01.html

Radoslav
C+ C- D+ B+ C+ C
B- C- D+ B+ C+ C

Averaged 13 ppg in 36 mpg as non option base on 07-08 stats

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nestera01.html

Bosh
B+ C C- B- B- B
A- C C- B- B or B+ B

06-07 season averaged 22.6 ppg 9.2 rpg

in 07-08 season averaged 22.7 ppg and 10.0 rpg

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html

Bargs is fine

Ford B inside, 60 loyalty

Calderon is fine

Radoslav is fine

Bosh A- inside, rest is fine

362 Andre Miller PG 30 6'2'' 200 B- C B+ B+ C- C

His offensive skills seem really limited.
Dre scored 13.4ppg while shooting 47% from the field in 06-07.

I think B C+ B+ B+ C C would be more realistic.

(http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millean02.html)

the bearded ones wrote:

362 Andre Miller PG 30 6'2'' 200 B- C B+ B+ C- C

His offensive skills seem really limited.
Dre scored 13.4ppg while shooting 47% from the field in 06-07.

I think B C+ B+ B+ C C would be more realistic.

(http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millean02.html)

He's fine.

Plus, you need at least decent 3PT shooting ability to get C+ outside, and Miller has never had that.

Caron Butler - B C+ C B+ C+ C

to B B C B+ C+ C

Averaged 19ppg as the 3rd option behind Arenas and Jamison. Shot 46% from the field, 86% from the line, and 25% from 3P. Obviously his 3P won't be too high, but his jumper should be very high and an alright 3P shot...hes not getting 19ppg with B C+ scoring here

Antonio Daniels - C C+ B- C D+ F

to C+ B B C+ D+ F

Averaged 7ppg off the bench in 21 minutes, while shooting 44% from the field, 30% from downtown, and 83% from the line. Also averaged 3.6apg to only .9 turnovers, so he deserves high handles.

Gilbert Arenas - Deserves B+ defense. Averaged 1.9spg which was good enough for 7th in the league

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2007.html

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B- C+ C+ B B- C old

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B C+ B B+ B C new


Lamar Odom is like Boris Diaw, but a lot better. He is definition of versatile. Odom averaged the exact same amount of APG this year as Boris... 4.8. More than a person you recently gave B- handles. Delonte West. Odom has the quickness and ball handling ability to PG which he did quite frequently in his career to go along with the size and strength to play PF or C. Odom has played ever position in his NBA career at an above average level. He becomes sixth man of the year in his career and as well know. A big reason the Lakers won their titles. It gave them a ton of flexibility. Odors rebounding should go up because he is a great rebounder. 9rpg for his career, and 9.8 this year. More than Amare and other who have B rebounding. Odors versatility and his career average or 1 assist and block a game should give him B+ defense. He can do it all. Lamar scores 16 points a game this year, with solid post moves and the ability to get to the hoop with over 5 FT attempts a game. He is an attacker who can put it on the floor and get to the rim. B C+ scoring is justified.

Coltsown4show wrote:

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B- C+ C+ B B- C old

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B C+ B B+ B C new


Lamar Odom is like Boris Diaw, but a lot better. He is definition of versatile. Odom averaged the exact same amount of APG this year as Boris... 4.8. More than a person you recently gave B- handles. Delonte West. Odom has the quickness and ball handling ability to PG which he did quite frequently in his career to go along with the size and strength to play PF or C. Odom has played ever position in his NBA career at an above average level. He becomes sixth man of the year in his career and as well know. A big reason the Lakers won their titles. It gave them a ton of flexibility. Odors rebounding should go up because he is a great rebounder. 9rpg for his career, and 9.8 this year. More than Amare and other who have B rebounding. Odors versatility and his career average or 1 assist and block a game should give him B+ defense. He can do it all. Lamar scores 16 points a game this year, with solid post moves and the ability to get to the hoop with over 5 FT attempts a game. He is an attacker who can put it on the floor and get to the rim. B C+ scoring is justified.

Tsk tsk tsk... trying to gripe a player that you got from a waiver?

The Bean Team wrote:

Coltsown4show wrote:

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B- C+ C+ B B- C old

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B C+ B B+ B C new


Lamar Odom is like Boris Diaw, but a lot better. He is definition of versatile. Odom averaged the exact same amount of APG this year as Boris... 4.8. More than a person you recently gave B- handles. Delonte West. Odom has the quickness and ball handling ability to PG which he did quite frequently in his career to go along with the size and strength to play PF or C. Odom has played ever position in his NBA career at an above average level. He becomes sixth man of the year in his career and as well know. A big reason the Lakers won their titles. It gave them a ton of flexibility. Odors rebounding should go up because he is a great rebounder. 9rpg for his career, and 9.8 this year. More than Amare and other who have B rebounding. Odors versatility and his career average or 1 assist and block a game should give him B+ defense. He can do it all. Lamar scores 16 points a game this year, with solid post moves and the ability to get to the hoop with over 5 FT attempts a game. He is an attacker who can put it on the floor and get to the rim. B C+ scoring is justified.

Tsk tsk tsk... trying to gripe a player that you got from a waiver?

Are you fucking joking me? Where we the rues again?

Emeka Okafor C 24 6'10'' 252 B- D+ D+ B B+ B

Blocks :
Okafor was 4th in blocks in 06-07 with 2.6bpg. Only Marcus Camby (A+ defense in the league), Josh Smith (A+) did more blocks ; Jermaine O'Neal (A-) had the same numbers.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007_leaders.html

He also had 0.9spg this year. Only 7 big men had better numbers.

Defensive rating :
Okafor led the Bobcats in DRtg and in Defensive Win Shares this year. He was better than Gerald Wallace (A-) in both categories.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2007.html

DPoY votes :
He was 11th in the Defensive Player of the Year award, after Marcus Camby (A+), Bruce Bowen (A-), Tim Duncan (A+), Shawn Marion (A+), Shane Battier (A+), Ben Wallace (A+), Gerald Wallace (A-), Ron Artest (A), Tyson Chandler (A) and Jermaine O'Neal (A-).
http://www.nba.com/news/camby_defensiveplayer_070427.html

So :
Emeka Okafor C 24 6'10'' 252 B- D+ D+ A- B+ B


And yes, I'm trying to gripe him AFTER free agency.
So what, should we have done gripes on every free agent before ?
These are the numbers he should have.

FROM:
408 Tony Parker PG 24 6'2'' 180 B+ C+ C+ B- C- C
TO:
408 Tony Parker PG 24 6'2'' 180 B+ B- B B- C- B

This season, Tony Parker was at the helm of the championship Spurs and won finals MVP, and averaged 6 assists per game. He also shot nearly 40% from deep. Also, he has in real life this season developed into an MVP candidate, which is why I requested a raise in POT.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html

Old: Shane Battier SF 28 6'8'' 220 C+ A- C A- C- C
New: Shane Battier SF 28 6'8'' 220 C+ A- C A C- C

Shane finished fifth this season in Defensive Player of the year voting up their with Camby and Duncan who all have A+ defense. Shane is a premiere defender and one of the best in the league he can defend the post or out on the wings.

http://www.nba.com/news/camby_defensiveplayer_070427.html

Andris Biedrins C 20 6'11'' 240 B- D C- B+ B+ B
Samuel Dalembert C 25 6'11'' 250 C+ C- D- A- B C


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/biedran01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dalemsa01.html

bierdins with better steal and block per 36 min than samuel d but with lower def rating
would love to have A- def for bierdins

also bierdins is 11.5 reb per 36 min so his reb should be A- as well .

MateoMancini33 wrote:

Old: Shane Battier SF 28 6'8'' 220 C+ A- C A- C- C
New: Shane Battier SF 28 6'8'' 220 C+ A- C A C- C

Shane finished fifth this season in Defensive Player of the year voting up their with Camby and Duncan who all have A+ defense. Shane is a premiere defender and one of the best in the league he can defend the post or out on the wings.

http://www.nba.com/news/camby_defensiveplayer_070427.html

By this argument, then Bowen should be bumped up from an A- to an A defensively as well at least, if not A+, as he finished 2nd to Camby and just in front of Duncan. Shawn Marion also has an A+ defense, and Bowen beat him out as well.

FROM:
129 Bruce Bowen SF 35 6'7'' 185 C B C- A- D+ C

TO: A+ Defense, since he beat out Duncan and Marion who each have A+ defense and is just behind Camby.


http://www.nba.com/news/camby_defensiveplayer_070427.html

waldo6238 wrote:

waldo6238 wrote:

Caron Butler - B C+ C B+ C+ C

to B B C B+ C+ C

Averaged 19ppg as the 3rd option behind Arenas and Jamison. Shot 46% from the field, 86% from the line, and 25% from 3P. Obviously his 3P won't be too high, but his jumper should be very high and an alright 3P shot...hes not getting 19ppg with B C+ scoring here

Antonio Daniels - C C+ B- C D+ F

to C+ B B C+ D+ F

Averaged 7ppg off the bench in 21 minutes, while shooting 44% from the field, 30% from downtown, and 83% from the line. Also averaged 3.6apg to only .9 turnovers, so he deserves high handles.

Gilbert Arenas - Deserves B+ defense. Averaged 1.9spg which was good enough for 7th in the league

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2007.html

Caron will be B B-, simply because his 3PT is too low to make it B.

Daniels is fine.

Arenas is fine.

Coltsown4show wrote:

The Bean Team wrote:

Coltsown4show wrote:

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B- C+ C+ B B- C old

Lamar Odom PF 27 6'10" 220 B C+ B B+ B C new


Lamar Odom is like Boris Diaw, but a lot better. He is definition of versatile. Odom averaged the exact same amount of APG this year as Boris... 4.8. More than a person you recently gave B- handles. Delonte West. Odom has the quickness and ball handling ability to PG which he did quite frequently in his career to go along with the size and strength to play PF or C. Odom has played ever position in his NBA career at an above average level. He becomes sixth man of the year in his career and as well know. A big reason the Lakers won their titles. It gave them a ton of flexibility. Odors rebounding should go up because he is a great rebounder. 9rpg for his career, and 9.8 this year. More than Amare and other who have B rebounding. Odors versatility and his career average or 1 assist and block a game should give him B+ defense. He can do it all. Lamar scores 16 points a game this year, with solid post moves and the ability to get to the hoop with over 5 FT attempts a game. He is an attacker who can put it on the floor and get to the rim. B C+ scoring is justified.

Tsk tsk tsk... trying to gripe a player that you got from a waiver?

Are you fucking joking me? Where we the rues again?

Hah.

B- handles, rest stays the same.

the_mouth wrote:

Emeka Okafor C 24 6'10'' 252 B- D+ D+ B B+ B

Blocks :
Okafor was 4th in blocks in 06-07 with 2.6bpg. Only Marcus Camby (A+ defense in the league), Josh Smith (A+) did more blocks ; Jermaine O'Neal (A-) had the same numbers.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007_leaders.html

He also had 0.9spg this year. Only 7 big men had better numbers.

Defensive rating :
Okafor led the Bobcats in DRtg and in Defensive Win Shares this year. He was better than Gerald Wallace (A-) in both categories.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2007.html

DPoY votes :
He was 11th in the Defensive Player of the Year award, after Marcus Camby (A+), Bruce Bowen (A-), Tim Duncan (A+), Shawn Marion (A+), Shane Battier (A+), Ben Wallace (A+), Gerald Wallace (A-), Ron Artest (A), Tyson Chandler (A) and Jermaine O'Neal (A-).
http://www.nba.com/news/camby_defensiveplayer_070427.html

So :
Emeka Okafor C 24 6'10'' 252 B- D+ D+ A- B+ B


And yes, I'm trying to gripe him AFTER free agency.
So what, should we have done gripes on every free agent before ?
These are the numbers he should have.

How could I possibly argue with this?

A- defense.

And yes, you should have.

Nowitzkidd wrote:

FROM:
408 Tony Parker PG 24 6'2'' 180 B+ C+ C+ B- C- C
TO:
408 Tony Parker PG 24 6'2'' 180 B+ B- B B- C- B

This season, Tony Parker was at the helm of the championship Spurs and won finals MVP, and averaged 6 assists per game. He also shot nearly 40% from deep. Also, he has in real life this season developed into an MVP candidate, which is why I requested a raise in POT.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html

He may have shot .395 3pt%, but when you're shooting .5 3's a game, and not to mention it was his only year with a good 3PT%, it does not warrant a high 3PT rating.

Handles are fine.

Scouted potential means nothing.

MateoMancini33 wrote:

Old: Shane Battier SF 28 6'8'' 220 C+ A- C A- C- C
New: Shane Battier SF 28 6'8'' 220 C+ A- C A C- C

Shane finished fifth this season in Defensive Player of the year voting up their with Camby and Duncan who all have A+ defense. Shane is a premiere defender and one of the best in the league he can defend the post or out on the wings.

http://www.nba.com/news/camby_defensiveplayer_070427.html

Low steals/blocks prevents the defense from being really any higher. I could give him unrealistic ratings to achieve A, but I won't.

stephenlion wrote:

Andris Biedrins C 20 6'11'' 240 B- D C- B+ B+ B
Samuel Dalembert C 25 6'11'' 250 C+ C- D- A- B C


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/biedran01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dalemsa01.html

bierdins with better steal and block per 36 min than samuel d but with lower def rating
would love to have A- def for bierdins

also bierdins is 11.5 reb per 36 min so his reb should be A- as well .